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November 23, 2004

Guerrilla Disclaimers

Hey Kids! Here's a handy set of stickers you can use to scientifically validate your textbooks. It's subversive and educational! Click on the image for more stickers you can use.

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With thanks to Colin Purrington.

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Whether one individually accepts or rejects creationism has far deeper implications than school districts, textbooks, nuts, or geocentricity.

The Holy Bible and creationism cannot be accepted in part and rejected in part nor can they be separated from each other--they must be completely accepted together as absolute truth or they have been completely rejected. Simple as that.

You either accept creationism in faith, not requiring any proof other than God's word says so, or you declare there is no God and the Holy Bible is false. No exceptions. Are you really claiming the latter? I hope not; you are far more intelligent than that.

But hold that evolution is more than a mere theory and reject creationism if you wish, as you are free to do, just know you are rejecting all truth.

Many reject truth thinking if there's no God then I will not be accountable for my choices and actions. (Very Dangerous, not recommended, strongly discouraged.)

Here's an interesting poll to check out:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml

Posted by: on November 23, 2004 05:19 PM

Is this comment a sarcastic parody of someone who is devoted to the idea of creationism? If yes, very convincing. If no, then buddy you need to wake up and smell the reality.

"Support for evolution is more heavily concentrated among those with more education" this quote is from the link you supplied in your comment. With the United States falling behind in math and science education, one would think that concentrating our efforts on keeping US kids on the same level as the rest of the developed world should be a priority. The attack on science in this country is driving investment and talent overseas. One of the fastest growing industries in the last 10 years is bio-engineering. Why would we hamper the efforts of talented scientists and entrepreneurs by under-educating our youth? Do you want to drive more outsourcing because our talent pool is well, talentless?

Go ahead and put your head in the sand. I refuse to let you take the next generation into the darkness with you. You will not enslave us with your black&white "truth." This is the 21st century. We have come a long way from not eating pork and blood-letting. Religious dogma will not take us back!

Posted by: terry on November 23, 2004 05:44 PM

All I smell is a red herring.

Many "educated" individuals become so smart they begin rejecting truth and do not wish to be confused with the facts. So they find flimsy alternatives.

"Education" is a weak argument and does not necessarily correlate with truth in this case. In fact, this has nothing to do with human-based "education." It has nothing to do with men. Education is not the measuring stick.

You conveniently forgot to mention that the "educated" are in the same category as "those who attend religious services rarely or not at all," which strengthens my argument.

All of this simply boils down to whether one acknowledges and accepts the existence of one God and absolute truth, and thus creationism: simple truth even children can and do understand. A choice not made with the head but the heart. Not through "education" but faith.

The Holy Bible says it's creationism. (period) Genesis 1:1.

So you either accept or reject absolute truth in its entirety. You must take one side and stand on it--there's no logical exception. No gray hiding zone in the middle.

I accept the absolute truth of God and creationism and am willing to say so. And I'm not yet convinced that teaching evolution will break the ceiling right out of our economy, by the way.

Respectfully, you do not have the fortitude to just come out and say God does not exist and the Holy Bible is false although that is what you imply. You can cover your eyes, put your fingers in your ears, and skirt the real issue, but that does not change truth.

We cannot change truth, although you appear to be making a desperate, futile attempt.

Is it possible you're the one enslaved, in the dark, and with your head in the sand?

"You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:32.

Posted by: on November 23, 2004 07:46 PM

This is really frustrating, since it's very hard to argue with a:) the ludicrous point of view that all science should basically be rejected because the bible says so, and b:) someone who apparently doesn't have enough faith in her own convictions to post her name along with her comments.

Terry, I'd assume that this person is just being sarcastic; otherwise, why would she be afraid to identify herself?

Posted by: paulette on November 24, 2004 08:23 AM

Yet another of the nonfamousi who rejects the existence of God and the authority of the Holy Bible. Wow. Do every single one of you deny the existence of God and the authority of His word, the Holy Bible? Does the sign you're all holding on the front porch also say "We're athiest, We reject truth?" That's your choice if you do; I assumed otherwise from some of the postings.

* "...always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth--men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone." 2 Timothy 3:7-9.

* "For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." 2 Timothy 4:3-4.

* "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!" John 8:44-45.

I really hope this is not really the case with all of this wonderful and interesting group, the nonfamousi. Sure, sometimes the truth is hard and not what we want to hear, sometimes it's not in alignment with society, popularity, and politics, sometimes it flies in the face of what we were always taught, what we always thought, sometimes it even flies in the face of "science," but it is only through the acceptance of truth that we begin to exist as complete and happy individuals. I welcome you to try it.

* "(God our Savior), who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4.

* "Thomas said to him, 'Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?'
Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" John 14:5-6.

* "If you love me, you will obey what I command." John 14:15.

* "'You are a king, then!' said Pilate. Jesus answered, 'You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.'" John 18:37.

* "I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." Mark 10:15 & Luke 18:17.

* "Every part of Scripture is God-breathed and useful one way or another--showing us truth, exposing our rebellion, correcting our mistakes, training us to live God's way." 2 Timothy 3:16.

* "All your words are true; all your righteous laws are eternal." Psalm 119:160.

* "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1.

The truth is simple. Really. Again, you either accept or reject it.

===previous post===

a:) Typical response. Dodging the facts. Infusing emotion. Avoiding the issue. Call it ludicrous or whatever you want--we cannot change truth due to its very nature. We can only accept or reject it. Seriously, did you really mean to call the rejection of evolution the rejection of all science, and therefore proclaim that evolution is "all science???" Did I read this right? What an unreasonable statement. You have either insulted your readers or have seriously underestimated them, as most can see right through that.

b:) We should not drop distractors and this should not be made into a personal issue. Let's deal in facts. I'm a daily reader and my objective is not to be unkind but to present a different view for all to consider. It's a virtue to be open-minded, right? I write as your friend and say to you there's a better way. I invite you to consider what will be most important in 100 years when we are all gone. "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27. Will creationism vs. evolution really matter then? No. But the underlying reason, the acceptance or rejection of truth, will then be the only thing that matters.

Posted by: Christian on November 24, 2004 01:08 PM

So, in Revelation 7, is that 144,000 a literal count? Is Heaven full up now? Where are the rest of us going? Do we need to be baptized to get there? What is the correct baptism? Surely everyone agrees on the answers...

You own neither the Bible nor the contract made between each believer and God (or rather, the contract one believes that God offers). You didn't write the text, you weren't present at its writing, and you do not intercede between the saved and the Father. What you do own is your interpretation of the Word and how you choose to follow.

Romans 14 teaches us about personal interpretation. "One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

It is right for you to consider your interpretation of the Bible to be correct for you, and your adherence to your belief is your spiritual walk that makes you "one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed" (2 Tim 2:15). But your right to judge begins and ends with you. "Who are you to judge someone else's servant?" (Rom 14:4) You cannot decide for me whether I should read every passage of the scriptures with a strict, literal interpretation any more than you can decide for me when I should take communion.

"The Lord knows those who are His." (2 Tim 2:19)

Posted by: Gary on November 24, 2004 11:55 PM

OK, let's see if I can get this straight. From my earlier comments you believe me to be an atheist, rejecting "truth" (the Bible). And becasue of this, come judgment day, I will be one of those that is denied the kingdom of heaven for eternity. Have I got that right?

Christian(is that your name or a convenient label?), how do you expect me to not take this personally? I appreciate the fact that you are a daily reader and that you, like the rest of us, enjoy this fabulous discourse. But I also appreciate the fact that this site is read by Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Deists and people belonging to other religious sects. To say that all of us who do not accept the Bible as THE TRUTH are damned is pretty darn personal.

However, back to the points of evolution, science, and economic growth and survival. All of biological science has at its base the foundation of the evolution of species. It is this foundation that has allowed us to categorize organisms, study the effects of the environment and pollution, create disease repellant crops, manufacture disease-ending vaccines and understand the benefits of nutrition - to name just a few. Looking ahead this foundation will help us to continue to cure life-threatening diseases and improve the quality of life for people across the planet. And if we can manage to do it here in the US, we can create jobs and opportunity for the next generation.

I, personally, am not interested in a "reward" after my death. I am dedicated to leading a rewarding life that will benefit our community, our country, and our world. So, please, leave the proselytizing to the professionals and respect that this is a big world full of very kind and good people trying to live in charity with their fellow humans.

Posted by: terry on November 25, 2004 12:53 AM

-EXCLUSIVE-Gary recognies the authority of the entire Holy Bible and the existence of one God! He may not be rightly dividing the word of truth, but by quoting even one scripture as truth, he accepts the entire Holy Bible as truth. Thus, Gary accepts the truth of creationism. Thank you for standing up for truth and quoting the scriptures Gary. You are a fine example for all of us.

Dearest Terry, I'm sorry you feel as you do. It is true that those "who do not accept the Bible as THE TRUTH are damned." I didn't say it, God did. But He also said He loves you, He gave it all up so you could live to the fullest here and now and also beyond death; He doesn't want you to be damned. He would have done it all even if you were the only one--you are that precious. He is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to eternal life through Him. Your exemplary life of service certainly does make a difference and is appreciated. You probably touch a life every single day. What would the world be like if we all took your attitude of service and charity? Your desires for kindness are the fingerprints of your Creator on your life. You were created in the image of God. But a good life and our works are not enough. We can never do enough to earn God's gift. It's not about what we can do, it's all about what He's already done. All we have to do is accept it unconditionally. Terry, I'll keep on reading loyally but know I am placing you on my little prayer list. I'm not here to condemn you but to encourage you and believe in you. God has a great plan for your life and wants to give you hope and peace.

Posted by: Christian on November 25, 2004 03:07 AM

That's certainly one interpretation. I'm glad you're not my doctor.

Posted by: Gary on November 27, 2004 10:40 AM

Wow... I missed a LOT when we were in Alaska for Thanksgiving!

For the record, I am an out and proud Christian-- despite their best efforts, the fundamentalists I grew up with were unable to drive a wedge between me and my God. Though it seems they never stop trying.

As a confirmed Episcopalian, I believe in Scripture, Tradition, and Reason as the three equal and indivisible aspects of my religion--just as mysterious and beautiful in their combination as the Trinity. There is much in Tradition (such as the Sacrament of Marriage) that is not found explicitly in the Scripture. And if God intended us to hew only to Scripture and Tradition, why bother giving us Reason?

To my eye, Christian's relentless proof-texting is a form of idolatry: putting any book, even the Bible, before the whole Gospel of love as experienced in acts of faith, hope, and love? Not a good idea.

WWJD? I suspect he wouldn't spout Scripture at us, or much appreciate your doing so.

Posted by: jay on November 30, 2004 11:02 AM

The TRUTH is that nobody knows what happens when we die. That's why believing in any god whatsoever requires FAITH. People like "Christian" are threatened by science so they condemn it and hold up scripture as their evidence; which, is both ironic and dangerous because it takes a leap of faith to believe in ancient texts of any kind in the first place. Not that that means having faith in a god or the Bible isn't a beautiful thing, it certainly can be. It's just when science is eschewed because of religious insecurity at the expense of human life that it's at the least really ugly and the worst grossly irresponsible.

It's almost 2005 but we're still acting as if the church is fighting those pesky rumors that the world isn't flat (damn that Revelations and the "four corners of the earth"). How can we forget that scientists were burned at the stake for blasphemy by those whose business model was being threatened by a -- to use "Christian"'s own word -- theory?

If this belief is what gets people like "Christian" through the night, fine. But the sooner humans realize that ultimately we're all just winging it and nobody actually has any cold, hard evidence of a creator, the better off we will be.

As the bumper sticker says, I don't know and you don't either.

Posted by: jason on December 2, 2004 02:19 PM

These stickers were also used as the inspiration for an Op-Chart in the New York Times (and reproduced for posterity here).

Posted by: David on December 6, 2004 03:24 PM

Anybody want to stand up and refute this guy? Jason?

Posted by: on December 9, 2004 03:31 PM
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